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28 Jul 2021 13:37 - 28 Jul 2021 13:43 #391302 by TRINI_DADDY
The facts are as I stated them.

Your first link is a propaganda site which posts absolute nonsense, it is reporting on a study done by a fake organization, and the "proof" that this organization has supplied you with is a literal lie. That graph does not say what the study, or the website, believe it says.

You claim that you "dont trust these sites" and that you only "take from them what you wish", but you are lying. You are literally taking from them what their wealthy libertarian backers WISH FOR YOU TO TAKE FROM THEM. You are taking a video which is a lie.

You next claim to "not be a conservative" and are only "taking from these racist, alt right, and conservative sites" what is "in your class interest". You agree that these sites are bad, but you are smart and can filter out the nonsense and "take only what is useful to you". Have you ever stopped to consider this a bit more?

Why are conservatives, racists, alt-right, and rich libertarians, the only ones supplying you with information which you think are in "your class interest"? Don't you agree that these groups have historically been against your interests (conservatism literally exists as an ideology to propagate unjust hierarchies). Why then are they SUDDENLY the ONLY ONES who dare to speak the truth and fight for you?

Isn't that a little suspicious?

And I can't believe a West Indian would take The Unz Review seriously. Do you also believe in QAnon and that Trump was a "swamp draining" working-class hero crushed by the Illuminati Deep State?

Show me an example of an Unz Review article which you think is credible and interesting and which you enjoyed reading. I want to see what you're doing over there.
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28 Jul 2021 17:37 #391305 by Billy Shatine
The Unz Review stands there for all to examine for themselves.

what have I said about the UNZ review:
Its Publisher is well recognized for the work he has done/and does realtive to examination of the issues American society faces

that it is a high quality board due to its high literacy and its tackling of all the issues and the array of or authors that write for the publication

that it is still totally uncensored, does not prevent any opinion once it is relevant

That is a right wing board that tolerates racist Opinion from its authors and does not censor any response to them absolutely critical like my own and others, to support for the racist

this is the Unz Review, Wednesday July 28, 2021: FOR ALL TO SEE AND JUDGE FOR THEMSELVES! nonsense

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28 Jul 2021 18:15 #391306 by Billy Shatine
"You claim that you "dont trust these sites" and that you only "take from them what you wish", but you are lying."

HOW CAN YOU PROVE THAT???

I have been around a long time! How has what I have said and done all along proved me to be a liar in that claim of yours cited above?

I will post what I want here, what I think is useful in explaining, highlighting my points.
I don't care what you think or say in response if it is not accurate and useful and contributes to the discussion, that may help the discussion to go on positively.

the way you are trending I would end up having to stand guard outside every rightwing blog to keep the readers of the Diaspora outside, to prevent them from reading a word of those blogs lest I help up the blogs to brainwash those readers!

that's not my point of view! that is not my way of life! I will stop no one from reading any goddam thing they want to. that's right!

and all those sites are available to everybody on the net and no doubt at all that lots of Black people read them and agree with them too. I know Black people well and what we give! I know all west Indians, Black and otherwise and a lot of them agree with the right wing crap. so do you!!! as you keep spewing here!

Humans have the absolute right to live the lives they want to live regardless. we know that there are consequences for all that we decide to do and actually do. it is all relative and interactive and has results. and if we decide to do crap there are the relevant consequences. the consequences of what we do are relevant all round that is why they say what we do always comes back to haunt us.

that is why it is crucial that we come to understand that if we want to survive and live prosperously forever we must come to know how that can be achieved on earth in our conditions and from the resources that the earth has and do it according to that...NOT DO WHATEVER THE HELL WE WANT TO DO, OR THINK IS RIGHT, OR TAKE IT ALL FROM OTHERS AND KILL THEM OFF ETC ETC.

THAT DOES NOT WORK AND IT COMES BACK TO HAUNT US ALL IN THE WAYS WE HAVE LIVED.

THAT IS BECAUSE IN THE DOING OF IT WE ARE LITERALLY CREATING THE EXISTENTIAL CONDTIONS THAT WILL PRODUCE MORE OF WHAT WE DO. WHATEVER WE DO PRODUCES THE RELEVENT RESULTS. THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS OF NATURE A TOTALLY CREATIVE ENVIRONMENT THAT NEVER STOPS. AND IT CREATES FROM EXPERIENCE.

AND WE ARE OF NATURAL EXPERIENCE, PART OF IT, ARE MORE EXECUTIVE THAN ANY OF THE OTHER FORMS OF LIFE EXTRUDED BY NATURE. SO WHAT WE ARE AND DO FORMS THE GREATES PART OF THE NATURAL CREATIVE RESPONSE, OF NATURE. WE GUIDE NATURE APPARENTLY IN ITS CRETIVITY RELEVANT TO US. NATURE THINKS THAT IS WHAT WE WANT, WE ARE SHAPING BY THE WAY WE LIVE AND IT COMES BACK TO US!

IF WE DO SHIT AND THE RESULTS HURTS US, KILLS US, ELIMINATES US OFF THE PLANET!! THEN IT IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE. IT IS WHAT WE WANTED. IF WE DID NOT WANT THAT THEN WE WOULD HAVE BEHAVED DIFFERENTLY

NO ONE ELSE IS RESPONSIBLE. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT NO GOD IS GOING TO INTERFERE TO SAVE SUCH AS HUMANITY, EVEN IF THERE WAS INDEED A GOD

So I will go to any and all websites...and link them up if I find it useful helpful, help develop clarity in what I am presenting. and all are free to do the same, do in fact the same as I do in this regard. I will not black websites and not limit myself in any way at all relevantly.

but |I will argue as I do and you can take it or leave it. the arguments I cam make is from my own curiosity over the years and what I have learned in the process. because of that experience I can make up my own mind period, and I don't give a phuck about whatever it thought of me period.

that is the point period...the development of the people to glean truth, to think far and wide and properly, accurate to develop truth about life period and to make common cause on the truth they worked out about the world, about existence for themselves. it is my contention that there is ONE TRUTH!

and to the extent that that is discovered by all or most people, common cause can be made for it reveals that given the one world there is one way to live. and that one way is in cooperation to figure out existence, for existence is a massive, never ending and expanding complexity, too big for any one person, or minority, or large country to figure out to any extent that can guarantees human indefinite survival.

indefinite human survival requires a fit and numerous human population on planet earth, functioning generally at least, if not totally and at all times in excelsis, to really work out, figure out life to give humanity its best chance in the universe, its best chance of going on and on and on indefinitely....

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28 Jul 2021 18:44 #391307 by Billy Shatine
You and ketcham are two small minded people so far. you are concerned with limited shit. you have no proper concept of time and how endless it is. no matter what happens there will come a time in existence when this day will be so infinitely tiny that it would not even count to whatever consciousness that exists at that time. and that life itself, existence of whatever it is, the universe itself, will still go on from there, endlessly

and ketcham in particular is an older person who is on his way out like I am. what the fuck is holding back his expansion to the widest extent that life and consciousness has to offer at this stage of his existence?

I don't know who the hell you are daddio but broadness of perspective and you are in 2 different directions.

the people and the situation with which we deal is lunatic. irrelevant, inconsistent with the truth of the world than any sane person of basic intelligence can see right off the bat. they would know that now! today! is crucial for the world to go on properly.
that if we do not live right we make it bad for all coming generations as long as somehow they manage to survive us, how we lived, the shit we are doing currently, with a chance to change the flow into the positively.

we are setting the stage for the future, as all current generations do. if we do not do that which is positive, relevant, life enhancing, then we are bequeathing hell to the future.

we are to live positively man! but the capitalist do not do that. that have created hell on earth and bequeathed hell to the future as well. now i have to deal with you and you idiot website perspective.

to hell with those websites as currently constituted. there is nothing |I or anyone can do to save them really. they are not popular at all have no legs to go much further.
they are dying right and left and will continue to do so. even as they speak race don't you see what's happening in the world?

Look! Kanye West married Kim and the made 4 children. look around you and see how the media treats that family... they treat that family and all mixed families the same way that they treated white marriages and families all along. go take a look and see for yourself.

the whole human species is coming back together, slowly but picking up speed...coming back to its original African roots!

and anyway! do you realize why I can find common cause with a right wing website...why any ordinary person can so find common cause with such?
Because ordinary people are united in life because of their class position. we are all working class and so have the very same absolute interest in life: How to survive the depredations on us all by the exploitative depraved capitalist rich?

sooner rather than later the class reality of ordinary life will transcend all barriers between ordinary people, particularly race issue, and bring all ordinary people together. it is a matter of survival and life does not get more basic than survival. it is either ordinary people transcend those barriers or end up dead, eliminated

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28 Jul 2021 19:13 #391308 by Billy Shatine
Here are more sites I use:

I put up a whole list of websites I use but the site wont let me post them up


lots more! but so that you all get an idea. I will no limit myself. and I don't see any reason why I must limit you who read me. you have to use your brains going through any and everything, guided by your honest to yourself self interest!

if you are doing it by self interest then you will be fine. you will know what to take and what not to bother with. and you self interest as an ordinary person is consistent with the interest of all ordinary people

do not worry with them about websites. all is relative in live and interconnected, interpenetrated. it is impossible to ferret out wholly, anything from everything else because that is what it is...part of everything else. you have to work yourself though it seeing the interconnections and how they work out. that way everyone will come to understand life massively and be able to participate fully in all that's happening at the best levels

life is natural and so are humans...which means we can all come to understand life up to the highest levels. it is not rocket science. we must deal with everyday to make it easy. but that is what does not happen. they teach irrelevant shit in the schools, fill up the popular airwaves and screens with irrelevant nonsense so that routine popular consciousness filled up with irrelevance cannot deal with the issues of life...or thinks that it cannot

but it can change! and the people must change it by revolutionizing society from the bottom up

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30 Jul 2021 11:08 - 30 Jul 2021 11:24 #391364 by TRINI_DADDY
You ask me "how can I prove that you are lying", but you've proved this yourself.

You say you "don't trust everything on these websites" and that you "only believe what's true" and "aligned to your class interests", but then you went on to post:

1. a link to a website known for lying
2. which pointed to a study by a fake organization started to spread disinformation
3. which used a video to lie about vaccine mortality rates

You say you are "selective" and "only trust good articles", but your example had at least three layers of lies within it.

Which is why I asked you for a UNZ REVIEW link (which you have not provided). I want to see just how selective you are when reading from a website like that.

You then say you and "many black people" find "common cause with right wing websites" which you say "helps you fight the exploitative and depraved capitalist rich", but I seriously doubt that. These sites are typically explicitly against the very things - unionizing, workers organizing, green parties, left wing parties and policies - which stand against such exploitation, either overtly (by being far right), or by pushing a for a form of "enlightened centrism" or whataboutism (both sides are evil!) which engenders apathy.

But mostly their level of analysis is so superficial, it leaves readers simultaneously stupid, but convinced of their special, insider knowledge.

BTW - another scientific study released today (www.cell.com/cell-reports/pdf/S2211-1247...61X%3Fshowall%3Dtrue) debunked some of the lies you've been posting (that vax proteins are able to enter and/or change genes and DNA).

But of course, like Qanon types, antivaxxers don't care about the evidence- they’ll just move to the next excuse. And if scientists don’t post their results in a spooky YouTube video, are their findings even real?!!!
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